peicubo, and all of RSF

[Kindreth Kin]

Pei it has been brought to my attention that you have been same faction hunting. not just one or 2. but everyday. you have been warned before on this matter.
So with this being said i am leaving it up to all of RSf on what should be done about this matter! Cause one of our rules has always been no rebel hunting from our BH's!!!!

No flameing please. just your opion on what needs to be done

[Mobus]

Can you see the faction of the bounty before you take a mission? If you can't then I see no problem with Pei hunting same faction targets. It's not fair for him to have to drop a mission after tracking them down and finding they are rebel. An imp would just do the job later, anyway. If this is the case, nothing should be done.

I'm not sure which way it is. The last time I was a bounty hunter I do not think you could see the faction. If you can see the faction, that might change things a bit.

If you can indeed see the faction before you select a mission, I’d first ask Pei why he takes rebel missions before doing anything else.

No matter the reason, the best thing you can do is only hunt opposite-faction targets. That is true. It makes things easier for everyone except the bounty hunter. If this was real life and not a game, I’d hang whoever went same-faction hunting.

But it is a game. Pei pays for his account, and I pay for mine. This means I have no say over what Pei does in the game. This, coupled with the fact that there is no decay and that another bh would just do the job later, is why I told Pei the other day that I really don’t care who he hunts. In fact, I let him kill me when he had my mission. It just doesn’t matter if you live or die, and I’d rather a fellow Rebel have the money than any Imperials I know.

Joining a guild means you put yourself subject to that guild’s rules. You may pay for your account, but they can still tell you what to do to a certain extent since they didn’t have to invite you in the first place. The only way to enforce those rules is to kick someone out of the guild. Oddly enough it is also the ultimate punishment. Where are the rules, and who is our leader? I do not consider any one of you my leader, and I do not see any rules. I do not even know who the guild leader is. I thought it was Pei until this. Now I’m guessing it’s Kin.

We are more a group of friends than a guild. I do not consider RSF a guild. It hasn’t functioned like one since the NGE hit, and even then, what was it's purpose? It was a meeting place for friends, a keep-in-touch mechanism. All we are is a group of friends with a chat room. And quite honestly, that's about all there is to a guild in SWG. In WoW there is raiding, and that adds a whole other element to being a guild. That is what guilds are for there. In SWG, it's just a group of friends with a chat room, a city, and a tag. All of which make it easier to hang out and get together. Is that bad? I don't think so.

But until we have a solid set of rules, how can we expect anyone to follow them? There may be some unwritten rules, but those are notorious for getting broken, and love to get bent by the people making them.

All things considered, I think nothing should be done. Let Pei do what he wants as long as he pays for his account. If anyone has any say over anyone else, it is Pei himslef, since he payed for half of the Chilastra server’s accounts at one time or another anyway!

My opinion of what should be done has nothing to do with Pei hunting rebels. What I think should be done is less bitching; from everyone, myself included. To accomplish this, most of us should stop taking the game as seriously as we do. That's the root behind the bitching, quarreling, lack of respect and sometimes down-right animosity.

Most of us take the game too seriously. I think this is blown out of proportion, and I think many of us need to remember it's just a game.

[peicubo]

exactly what mobus said not once did i kill an rsf member or took their bounty on an rsf member purposely and another thing that pisses me off and the reason that i left was that the majority minus a few members treat me like shit and im not saying that to mean or anything like that and FYI before sky left he left me incharge of the guild because all of the hard work i did when the MAJORITY of you if not all went imp and to not even get respect or recognition is well an injustice! NOT ONCE DID I DO ANYTHING TO YOU TO GET TREATED LIKE COMPLETE AND UTTER CRAP BY RSF NOT ONCE! even blackmagnum treats me better than some of you and if you dont think you do even ask mobus he agrees with me but back to the subject at hand

yes i same faction hunt and i have no guilty feeling for that im just doing my job its not like if i go neutral i can still hunt because most of my marks are in PVP zones not just rebs but imps toon. now this is not a flame nor is it a cry for attention its the truth and like mobus said it would be one thing if decay xp/skill loss was here but its not and I never once hunted a rebel pre-nge or pre-cu and Lez that tough guy attitude isnt making you look good its making you look like a complete and utter asshat and in a quote from an old pre cu friend you're a twatwaffle and to say that i left because i was not mentioned as leader and due to the fact I same faction hunt is not even the tip of the iceberg. And to the rest of the members of RSF i had and have no hard feelings or gripes with any of you

[Darkmatter]

the problem was what RSF was, compared to now.

We were a rebel guild who diversed itself in the rebel agenda.

Now? well i can't say this out of personal time. But from the past of the NGE and all things swg, it really has downgraded the function of RSF.

Both sides of the fence have valid arguments. Hunt or no hunt.

Yes, RSF stands for rebel special forces, which validates kindreth's post. However, what mobus has said is also true, RSF cannot stand what it used to be because of how swg functions now. Its just hard not to (what peicubo is doing).

I'm not on anyone's side, i'm merely giving my opinion of the matter. It really falls down to the people playing SWG.

Don't use my post to prove the other wrong, just merely setting the debate.

[Neek]

Like a bounty hunter told me once, after I asked him/her why he/she was hunting same faction. The answer was

"Faction is political orientation. It doesn't matter if my mark shares my view on politics, it's my job to kill and that's what will happen."

And like Pei said, since a bunch of people went from rebel to imp, such a person has to right to blame him for "not respecting his faction" when people switch sides out of the blue.

[Mobus]

That made me smile Neek lol. I like that!

You were probably like "oh" in response to that bh huh? That would have been my response anyway!

[Neek]

My response was "Damn, that BH has a good point"

[Mobus]

lol ;D

[Kindreth Kin]

Ok first off, pei i never treated you like shit, nor have i ever disrespected you.
Second the first time you was warned about same faction hunting we ( you and I )agreed that you would not do it again with out making sure that the rest of us didnt not have a problem with it. you didnt do this. Also, just cause you have a little problem from one or 2 other guild members does not mean that the guild treats you like crap.
Now i told in chat tonight that we were nt going to kick you from the guild but i asked you nicly not to continue with hunting rebels. you said ok. then you still removed yourself from RSF. The problem being here is that it has been a rule that no BH'ers that is in RSF could hunt rebel if they themselves were rebel. Now yes people jump factions. but i will say this, there are plenty of imp bounties on the terms, i know i look all the time on the terms with my BH.
I know we all have our own opions on the matter, but mine is this. No i dont agree with same faction hunting. unlike pre-nge or pre-cu everyone body is needed in pvp now. if you rebels are outnumberd just by 2 poeple it makes all the difference in the world now. unlike pre-cu and pre-nge wehre if we were outnumbered by 5 poeple it didnt matter, it only mattered on the skill of the person on the qullity of there armor and buffs and weapons.
Now it matters on how many people you have. and everytime a rebel comes and hunts another rebel that is trying to fight off a imp attack it hurts the group. it makes a big difference. So what you end up with is a rebel bh helping the imps in battle.
This is why i dont like same faction hunting and why i think it is wrong. i beleave if your going to hunt rebels you should either be a imp or be nuetrall. Cause trust me when you loose a battle because one of your tram mambers or even you die because of a same faction hunter comes and kills you and weakens you group it tends to get on your nevres.
Just today i got on to Istaf for Same faction hunting. cause he almost cost us the base on core. but we were saved when another rebel showed up.
That is my point but if you want to make RSf a same faction hunting bh guild that is up to everyone in the guild.
But i will say this, we have other rebel guild that are allies that feel like i do and we watch each others backs. like BVC. they dont let there members hunt same faction.
But i say if we are going to be a rebel guild lets be a rebel guild.
But hay that is just my opinion

[peicubo]

i never said you did treat me like crap Kin, but i was contemplating leaving and wasnt going to until i saw that little coment on guildchat about the leaders which sparked it, not causing it. I talked it over with Mobus and he agrees completely that, that was an injustice to me due to the many hours i worked endlessy to keep RSF from going down the tubes when you all went imp. I remember when it was only me and sky were the only active members left and to not be recognized at all is appauling now like i said I never hunted pre-cu and pre-nge but unless there are more imp bounties Decay Skill Loss XP loss or anyother penalties im going to do so. That will not however involve any other RSF members due to even though i am not in guild any more I will not hunt my old guildmembers, and once called friends. But to put it in a nuttshell several other members agreed though i will not disclose their names I was always the odd man out and treated differently and unfairly compared to others. Now I can't prevent from any of my new guilds members from hunting any RSF members but I will live up to my bargain and wont and that's all I am going to say.

[Kindreth Kin]

Well Pei i always said i was happy that you did what yu did when some of us did go imp. And as far as the coment made in guild chat i have no clue what you are talking about. i must of missed it. So i am lost as far as that goes.

[peicubo]

mabe i did overreact a little bit but it wasnt that big of a deal any ways when gerreck asked who was leader and i think it was u who said the elders...kowpla oseh u ehrg eoro and lez i guess i did take that the wrong way i was just a little frustrated last night due to i just had to put my dog to sleep

[Ehrgeiz]

That sucks pei, its never easy to do that as they are family. I think when that comment was made you weren't left out on purpose it just happened.

[peicubo]

yeah i guess your right ehrg

[peicubo]

Well like neek said earlier Im out to kill you know matter if your rebel imperial neutral or what ever If you are on terms you are dead whether your already incapped dueling cloning LDing or AFK i will do what ever I need to get my bounty if you dont want a bounty on your head dont PVP I will use every chance I get to kill you and I've done this ever since I was BH oh 3 years ago but then again I would not hunt Rebs due to decay skill loss xp loss or perma death Saying this has to bring one of my favorite quotes of all times

"My loyalty is with the contract. The enemy of my employer is my enemy too"
- Boba Fett